CHECKLIST FOR BUILDING TUB SHOWER

Because we’re in the business of fixing tile and stone problems, we get calls pretty much every day from folks who have issues with tile in wet areas like showers. Some problems we can fix, using regrouting, colorsealing or minor repairs.

But unfortunately, many times the problem was created the day the shower was built – incorrectly. The problems range from water leaks to cracked tile and grout, anywhere from an annoyance to a very expensive replacement.

Why listen to us on this?

For many years we used to build showers, installing stone and tile with 4 crews working all over Eastern Massachusetts and Southern New Hampshire. So frequently when we see a tile cracked or a grout line crumbling, we know how easily that problem could have been avoided during the initial build.

And now we don’t offer any tile installation anymore, so we have no ‘dog in the fight’, so to speak. If we recommend you tear out your shower and build a new one, it’s because we believe it’s what you need, and we don’t make any money from that.

In the metro Boston area, there are some very talented tile installers who do beautiful work. But in some cases, they know how to cut and install beautifully but they aren’t as skilled in the surface prep work that needs to be done beforehand. So, their beautiful work may end up being ruined and must be prematurely replaced due to water damage and structural issues.

The average homeowner doesn’t know how to select a good tile installation contractor and even some general contractors aren’t sure if their tile subcontractor is doing the surface prep and installation technique that’s the best practice.

The purpose of this checklist is to hit the high points that can cause damage if done wrong. It’s not an all-encompassing list of every mistake one could make in building a shower. Just the most common ones that we see a lot.

The checklist is not designed to harass the contractor at every turn by analyzing every box of screws he brings on the jobsite. That could easily cause an unproductive temper flare up.

Instead, consider using the checklist before selecting a contractor. You could simply forward the checklist and ask his opinion on it. A minor disagreement or adjustment probably isn’t crucial, but if a tile contractor you’re considering disagrees with most of the list, you’d be better off saying goodbye before spending any of your hard earned on him.

Note that this list doesn’t address the more complicated stall shower construction, but some of the points are the same.

CHECKLIST FOR BUILDING TUB SHOWERS

1. Before demolition begins, implement dust control measures. All demolition generates dust, so proper containment is essential from the start.

2. Cover the tub drain opening with tape before demolition to prevent tile fragments from entering and potentially clogging the drainpipe.

3. Inspect the studs after removing the old tile and backerboard or during new construction. They should be straight, rigid and stable. Standard installations use 2×4 studs at 16 inches on centers with reinforced corners. Test by physically pushing on them to check for movement or ‘wiggle’. Loose studs can cause future tile and grout cracking. If studs are damaged, improperly spaced, or flexible, reinforce them with additional framing. Some tile contractors may complain that they don’t do carpentry but reinforcing them at this stage is worthwhile even if it causes problems with the tile contractor’s schedule.

4. Right after demolition is the ideal time for a plumber to change the valve and inspect the pipes. With no walls in the way, he can identify potential issues easier.

5. Use only cement board products for the backerboard layer. Regular drywall or “greenboard” without very good waterproofing are guaranteed to fail for wet areas. Even if some building standards allow drywall in a shower, the safer course is to keep it out of a shower. Various cement board brands are available – some include integrated waterproofing while others require separate waterproofing applications. Specifically, the Tile Council of North America allows for fiber cement backer board, foam core backer board, and cement backer board, all of which are fine. Unfortunately, they also allow for two backer boards that are somewhat water sensitive gypsum based boards. Because gypsum in showers has cost millions of dollars of property damage, we’ll take a pass on any gypsum based product when so many better alternatives exist.

6. Secure backerboard only with specialized screws recommended by the cement board manufacturer, not standard drywall screws. The heavier weight of cement board and tile demands stronger fasteners than those used for drywall. (But unfortunately, they are sold in big box stores right next to drywall screws).

7. Follow the manufacturer’s guidelines for screw quantity and spacing. At a minimum these should be followed, and a few extras won’t hurt.

8. While scoring and snapping cement board works for some products, many brands cut that way develop uneven, crumbly edges that create gaps between panels. Diamond blade cutting ensures clean, precise edges. For the crumbly types, if possible, cut cement board outdoors with a diamond blade grinder rather than scoring and snapping. Outdoors because of the dust created by dry grinding.

9. The least complicated way to determine shampoo niche locations is to base it on stud placement, which isn’t visible until demolition. That approach requires being flexible beforehand on exactly where the niche will be placed. Access to a good carpenter, though, can enable you to plan to rearrange the framing if you have your heart set on a location that won’t currently fit. Not all tile contractors are comfortable doing that level of carpentry, so you may need another person to handle that.

10. There is more than one way the contractor can hang the cement board. One common approach is to hang it so its bottom edge sits slightly above the tub’s surface, in front of the tub flange (the raised lip on three sides of most porcelain tubs). Achieve this by temporarily placing shims between the tub and cement board during installation. This prevents wicking of water into the cement board. For Jacuzzi-style tubs without flanges, you need to rely on properly applied caulk between tub and tile and keep that joint in good condition, since it’s the ‘last line of defense’ against water leaks.

11. Join cement board panels with seams reinforced with alkaline-resistant cement board tape embedded in thinset mortar. Do not use standard drywall tape, which deteriorates in alkaline environments, like thinset mortar. And, of course, drywall tape is right next to the correct board tape in big box stores, so installers could choose the wrong product by mistake. Rapid setting thinset mortar is acceptable for this application to reduce waiting time. See photo below of cracks developed by doing this step wrong.

Long crack in tile
CEMENT BOARD SEAMS NOT SECURED CAUSES LONG CRACKED LINES THROUGH TILES

12. Waterproof the cement board before tiling since grout is not waterproof. So even if grout is properly applied, water absolutely will seep through the grout to the cement board. While cement board doesn’t deteriorate when wet, it allows water to reach the studs, potentially causing damage. Either use the newer version of pre-waterproofed cement board or use uncoated regular cement board and apply a waterproofing membrane. Many contractors skip this crucial step, but waterproofing systems are relatively inexpensive (under $60 for a standard shower in 2025) and quick to apply (15 minutes application, 1 hour drying, 2 hours if you want a second coat) Some products change color when dry, indicating when tiling can begin. The extra hour or two and the minor expense are cheap insurance against expensive leaks. You can get a decent idea of what it looks like are on this gentleman’s website: https://homerepairtutor.com/waterproof-bathtub-walls/ The photo below shows water damaged wood studs and supports from a shower with no waterproofing at all. Not pretty.  

Water damaged wood framing
NOT WATERPROOFING CAUSES FRAMING DAMAGE

13. It’s also possible to waterproof behind the cement board. While it may be effective in keeping water away from the wooden or metal studs, we find this approach less than optimal because the cement board itself is not waterproofed in front. That means it can absorb water and become soaked over time. That can lead to water from the board wicking into nearby drywall just outside the shower. Notice in the first photo below how the lower part of the cement board, exposed during a repair job we did, is darker because it’s absorbed so much water. Notice the second photo of what drywall damage looks like, most likely caused by wicking action.

WET CEMENT BOARD DUE TO NO WATERPROOFING
NOTE LOWER PART OF CEMENT BOARD IS SOAKED
DRYWALL DAMAGE OUTSIDE SHOWER
DAMAGED DRYWALL DIRECTLY OUTSIDE SHOWER

14. For tile installation, use only properly mixed thinset mortar—never ‘premixed thinset’ or mastic in wet areas, even if some building standards allow them. Contractors should mix powder with water on-site. Insist on proper thinset mortar even if the contractor suggests mastic, which almost always leads to eventual failure in showers. Show him the door if he does not use real thinset mortar. Manufacturers out there may have developed a premixed product that can stand up to water exposure, but we’ve seen so many failures caused this way that we just avoid that product category altogether.

15. Select high-quality thinset mortar. Better grades provide stronger bonds and greater durability. Lower-priced options typically indicate inferior quality. Given the investment in shower installation, using premium thinset is always worthwhile.

16. Thinset mortar comes in two colors – white and gray. Your contractor should default to white, especially with natural stone installation. Many stones are somewhat translucent and porous and using dark thinset behind a white marble tile, for example, may cause pigment to seep inside the stone and create a darker look that can’t be eliminated. (see photo). The only time dark gray thinset could possibly make sense is if the planned grout color is also dark gray and the tile is not translucent.

WHITE MARBLE IS TRANSLUCENT
WHITE MARBLE IS TRANSLUCENT

17. Support tiles during installation because thinset doesn’t create an immediate bond like mastic. Begin tiling at the bottom and work upward. One way to do this is to install a temporary “batten board” at the second row’s starting height, perfectly level, to support tiles while the thinset cures. Remove it after the upper tiles set, then install the first row.

18. Plan tile layout carefully before installation. While there are many attractive pattern options, avoid simply starting with full tiles without considering where the row ends. Properly balanced layouts have equal-sized cut tiles on both sides of each wall. Whenever possible, avoid tiles cut smaller than half-size, as numerous small cuts indicate poor planning and workmanship. This last rule is not always feasible with some mosaics and certain unusually shaped tiles.

19. Determine grout line width during planning. Traditional installations use narrow joints with unsanded grout for smaller tiles and natural stone, while larger or irregularly shaped or unevenly sized tiles require wider joints with sanded grout.

20. Match trowel notch size to tile dimensions. Select appropriate trowels based on tile sizes – small notches for mosaics and larger notches for large-format tiles. The trowel determines thinset thickness and coverage, which varies by tile size. Aim for full coverage or at least 95% coverage with the mortar, avoiding techniques like 4 spot or 5 spot bonding. Back buttering the tile does take extra time, but we are aiming for a quality job here

21. Select grout color and type before installation begins. Traditionally, narrow joints use unsanded grout while wider joints require sanded grout. Modern fine grained sanded grouts can now work in somewhat narrower joints than previously possible.

22. Mix grout powder with the correct amount of water to achieve a peanut butter or cake batter consistency. Avoid overly wet “soupy” mixtures, which lead to weak grout prone to premature failure.

23. Contractors should minimize grout haze during installation and clean thoroughly afterward. Removing excess grout haze is the installer’s responsibility, not the client’s.

24. If there is an excessive amount of grout haze on the surface of the tile and it’s not an acid sensitive stone like marble, limestone, travertine or onyx, there are commercially available grout haze removers or a mixture of 50% water and 50% clear vinegar will also work. Apply the solution, let it sit briefly, scrub with a nylon pad, and dry thoroughly. For built-up grout on tile faces, carefully scrape with a razor blade without scratching the tile surface. Note that some manufacturers recommend waiting 10 days for grout to cure more before using acidic chemicals.

25. For grout haze on acid sensitive natural stone such as marble, limestone, onyx or travertine, do not use acid to remove grout haze. It may be wise to contact a stone restoration contractor (like our company, for instance). Acid can instantly cause expensive damage to these stones.

26. Apply clear penetrating sealer to grout lines after 72 hours of curing time. Spray or brush the sealer onto grout lines, allow it to penetrate, then thoroughly wipe dry to prevent residue formation. Horizontal surfaces are easier to seal than vertical ones, where runoff wastes product. The critical step is thoroughly wiping it dry – expect to use 2-3 rolls of paper towels for an average shower. Most coatings and sealers like acrylics are applied and then allowed to dry on the surface. Penetrating sealers aren’t meant to dry on the surface of the tile like that. If they do, it creates an ugly crust that can be hard to remove. So the amount of wiping needed is what beginners (and inexperienced contractors) often underestimate.

27. Consider sealing grout even when manufacturers claim it’s unnecessary. While some modern grouts may not require sealing, applying clear penetrating sealer provides additional protection at minimal cost and extends the shower’s maintainable lifespan.

28. If you plan to have a glass company custom fit a glass shower door and other panels, they really need to wait until the tilework is complete before measuring for the new glass. The reason is that each panel is templated to the exact proportions of the shower as built. Some folks ask them to come out earlier, thinking it will speed up the process. It won’t – it will just annoy them. They won’t cut glass until they have final measurements.

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Cleaning Marble And Tile Floors

Before and after picture of cleaning soiled tumbled marble
Cleaning Marble Floors Before and After

Cleaning marble and tile floors can be frustrating. Normal vacuuming, sweeping and mopping obviously works to some degree. But over time, soils can build up in grout lines or in the natural crevices of stone. That’s especially true of stone that has a rough and irregular surface, like tumbled marble floors.

And grout lines tend to look worn and darker over time, but the rough surface doesn’t respond much to normal mopping.

The photo above was a before and after view of a kitchen South of Boston. The way we approached cleaning this tumbled marble floor was to use high alkaline cleaning liquids and a scrubbing machine with counter rotating stiff nylon brushes. Plenty of water, lots of time to soak in before scrubbing. Oh, and we decided to hand scrub every grout line with a stff nylon brush to give it maximum force!

Homeowner was very pleased and the work was finished within her timetable for an upcoming party.

Cleaning Floor Grout Lines

Sometimes the hardest part of cleaning marble and tile floors is not the tile itself – it’s the grout lines! Because they are very porous, it’s very easy for soils to get trapped inside the micro pores of the grout. If you run your hands over a sanded grout line, it feels about as rough as sidewalk cement. No wonder it’s difficult to get it clean!

The floor photos above were from a job in Bedford Massachusetts. The homeowners wanted to get their grout lines back to the original color. The grout lines were somewhat faded and had lost the rich earthy red color that matched the tiles nicely.

In this case, we decided to apply a tinted color sealer to the grout. After cleaning the tile floor, we had to do the sealer application on hands and knees, (This stage of the job has no shortcuts – you have to go over every single grout line carefully). The color sealer brought the floor back to life and since it’s a tough coating, future cleaning will be more effective. Basically, the grout lines are no longer porous after this sealer.

When to Call a Pro

Some types of cleaning chemicals can actually damage stone. If you want to use a new product, do yourself a favor and read all the fine print on the back label. If you see something like ‘Not for natural stone’, then don’t use it! That’s likely code for ‘contains acid which will instantly etch your natural stone’! If you’ve etched a polished marble surface, repolishing it is not a DIY project, even if you’re relatively handy.

For routine maintenance, I found some fairly useful cleaning and maintenance tips at a credible source, The Natural Stone Institute. This page https://www.naturalstoneinstitute.org/consumers/care/ has all the basics you need for routine cleaning. If you have an issue with your stone or tile floors that you’re wondering about, feel free to give us a call at 617-221-4002 We can likely talk you through most cleaning tasks on the phone, for free. Most of our customers send a photo or two and that usually provides enough for us to get you a quote if you need professional cleaning and restoration.

Heavy Duty Floor Stripping

The photos below were from a historic home in Brookline. They had a slate floor in the basement with a clear gloss urethane coating. Unfortunately, a flood damaged the finish and left an ugly, flaking mess. In order to clean it off, we had to use solvent paint remover and follow with high alkaline water based cleaning. Another hands and knees job! (Note: if you decide to use solvent based paint removers, please be very careful since most of them sold on the market today are flammable. You need good ventilation and should not allow any flame in the room, since the vapor is flammable).

Before and after photos of stone floor cleaning
Natural Stone Cleaning Before and After

If you have a project you’d like a quote for, feel free to get in touch. You can fill in the form below or just call or text us at 617-221-4002

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Act One – Marble and Tile
15 Main Street # 138
Watertown MA 02472-4403
https://cleanpolishmarblegraniteboston.com
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Solving ‘Marble Mysteries’ – Regrouting Marble Shower Floor and Walls

Marble shower Hingham before regrouting - green copper leaching
Marble shower Hingham before regrouting – green copper leaching
Marble shower Hingham with green copper leaching close up before regrouting
Marble shower Hingham with green copper leaching close up before regrouting
Regrouted and cleaned marble shower bench Hingham - green copper gone
Regrouted and cleaned marble shower bench Hingham – green copper gone

Sometimes stone maintenance can be a little bit hard to figure out – a ‘marble mystery’.

We got a call from a homeowner in Hingham, a suburb on Boston’s South Shore, who was frustrated with the look of his marble shower.

You can click on the before and after pictures to get a better resolution photo.

It was a beautifully installed stone shower, but he had noticed that some sort of green residue was showing on grout lines near the shower bench and onto the floor of the shower. It wasn’t mold, it wasn’t any form of cosmetic dye…at first we couldn’t figure out what it was at all.

Then the homeowner recalled that the original installers had run the copper shower pan liner up to and under the shower bench as a waterproofing measure. This is not the standard way to do it, but we have seen it done that way on occasion.

So over time the green copper ‘rust’ had leached through the grout lines and permeated the grout. Fortunately the marble itself wasn’t discolored. Technically, copper doesn’t ‘rust’, but it ages with a green color – think of the Statue of Liberty.

The marble didn’t need any diamond honing or polishing, so that was not part of the solution.

The Plan of Action: Steps to Regrouting the Marble Shower

1. Clean the marble shower surfaces with non acid, marble safe cleaning liquids
2. Regrout the walls of the shower with traditional non-sanded grout
3. Recaulk corners and edges
4. Regrout the sanded grout floor of the shower to remove the green discoloration
5. Apply clear penetrating sealer to protect the stone and grout

Regrouting marble shower walls is fairly standard work – we do it every week. But regrouting marble shower floors with sanded grout is not something that always needs to be done; the sanded grout is difficult to remove without using special grinding tools with diamond tipped blades. Still, we’ve done enough of them to know the process and it came out looking nifty and clean – no sign of green, just fresh new grout, clean marble and a ‘new’ look to a beautiful marble shower restored to its original appeal!

If you have a ‘marble mystery’, feel free to give us a call or text at 617-221-4002 or just fill out the form below with your contact information.

Our contact information:

Act One – Marble and Tile
15 Main Street # 138
Watertown MA 02472-4403
617-221-4002 Text or Call